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PrintBorder Patrol Agent in Arizona Held at Gunpoint by Mexican Military
News Type: Event — Wed Aug 6, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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The Border Patrol Union Local 2544 is reporting on their website that the Mexican Military was again across the border, and this time they held a member of the union at gunpoint:
A Tucson Sector Border Patrol agent was held at gunpoint by the Mexican military last night south of Ajo. Mexican military personnel crossed over the border and pointed rifles at him. Backup units arrived from the Ajo Border Patrol station, and the Mexican military personnel eventually returned to Mexico. Unfortunately, this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years. They are never held accountable, and the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of "Oh well, they didn't know they were in the United States."
The Associated Press confirms the union's claim:
Four Mexican soldiers crossed into a remote area of Arizona and briefly held a U.S. Border Patrol agent at gunpoint before realizing where they were and returning to Mexico, U.S. authorities said.
Border Patrol spokeswoman Dove Crawford said the incident early Sunday on the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation, about 85 miles southwest of Tucson, was in an area where the border likely was marked only with barbed wire.
This isn't new. As the Union continued, "A few years ago the Mexican military went a step further and put a .50 calibre rifle round through the rear window of a Border Patrol agent's patrol vehicle south of Ajo. Nothing was ever done. Nobody was ever held accountable."
And it happens all the time. This video is from a year ago. They discuss the incursions into America, where the Mexican military was escorting drug smugglers and coyotes and firing on our border patrol agents.
From 2006, Newsmax reports:
Texas law enforcement officers and Border Patrol agents engaged in an armed standoff with Mexican military personnel and drug smugglers just inside the United States along the Rio Grande yesterday afternoon.
Also in 2006, Chris Simcox of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps videotaped Mexican Military members retreating back to Mexico.
It has happened more than 250 times since 1996. That is, it has been reported or seen 250 times. Who knows how many times it has actually happened.
The Mexican military is crossing the border into the U.S.
That's according to records NEWSCHANNEL 5 obtained using the Freedom of Information Act. The 29-page document shows the Department of Homeland Security is tracking the occurrences.
It includes sightings of men dressed in Mexican military uniforms. The document states Mexican government personnel crossed the border more than 250 times since 1996. Some of that activity happened in the Rio Grande Valley.
The union makes note of the fact that the Mexican military usually crosses the border in Humvees, donated to the by you and me, Joe Taxpayer.
Why is it outrageous for us to have our military on the border when Mexico not only has their's, but is crossing into the country and pointing guns at our agents?
It's time to lock it down.
Hat Tip: Gateway Pundit
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 | Mexican Troops Cross Border, Hold Border Agent | NewsMax | Wed Aug 6 | 2 |
| Gateway Pundit: Mexican Military Holds US Border Guard at Gunpoint... In Arizona | gatewaypundit.blogspot.com | Wed Aug 6 | 1 |
 | Mexican soldiers enter Arizona, hold agent briefly | Associated Press | Wed Aug 6 | 0 |
| Washington Times - Border patrol agent held at gunpoint | The Washington Times | Wed Aug 6 | 1 |
| Border agents unevenly spread on boundary | Associated Press | Wed Aug 6 | 0 |
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{"commentId":2384716,"authorDomain":"PurelyPolitical"}
If not a tank, then a fence! Something! Anything!
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- 7 votes
#1 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 6:55 PM EDT{"commentId":2384750,"authorDomain":"kpr37"}
if a foreign military unit, crosses the border is that not a act of war
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- 5 votes
{"commentId":2384858,"authorDomain":"kpr37"}
The Mexican military will not stop this until the US military lets them know it has consequence's not to their liking
{"commentId":2384858,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"kpr37"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":2412395,"authorDomain":"davjohn"}
International Incidents Perhaps I missed it in the comments, but am I the only one who remembers SS Mayaguez, a US Flag Container vessel commandeered 50 miles off Cambodia, where 20 Marines, 2 Navy Corpsmen, and 2 Air Force were killed; 35 Marines, and 6 Airmen were wounded; and 3 Marines were left behind to be taken prisoner and executed by the Khmer Rouge on Koh Tong Island? Or the seizure of USS Pueblo (AGER-2) along with the capture, beating, starvation, and torture of her crew? 82 were returned with one KIA. Or the beating, torture, and murder of SW2 Robert Dean Stetham USN on TWA flight 847? All international incidents. All except for SS Mayaguez were essentially forsaken. Now we are looking at 250 incursions of the Mexican military into US territory in a 12 year period. When are we going to stop taking this S@#$% laying down?
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2384809,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
I have heard of these incidents for years, and I often wondered why there hasn't been a proper military response.
How many reports does the Homeland Security have to compile before there is an answer?
Could it be it's that the Mexican Army has Carte Blanche by our own government so they can keep illegals and drugs (with its high profit margins) coming into this country? Seems like it to me since we don't challenge it.
But oh boy, if our people were to cross over into Mexico, we would have a major out cry in the media. Just doesn't seem fair.
{"commentId":2384809,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
- 6 votes
#2 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 7:08 PM EDT{"commentId":2384877,"authorDomain":"Jivatmanx"}
Could it be it's that the Mexican Army has Carte Blanche by our own government so they can keep illegals and drugs (with its high profit margins) coming into this country? Seems like it to me since we don't challenge it.
Yes, all illegals, but as for drugs, they only allow them in if it's an organization that gives lucrative kickbacks to the CIA.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2387047,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
I thought so.
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{"commentId":2412401,"authorDomain":"davjohn"}
But oh boy, if our people were to cross over into Mexico, we would have a major out cry in the media. Just doesn't seem fair.
It's not fair and it has to stop!
{"commentId":2412401,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"davjohn"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2385475,"authorDomain":"makinhavoc"}
The CIA...oh boy. It's the money train. They are just getting one of their guys back and forth without border patrol problems.
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- 2 votes
#3 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 8:36 PM EDT{"commentId":2385718,"authorDomain":"martinez"}
Ahh the Tucson sector. I love it here.
Either way, as pointed out above, this isn't the first time this has happened. Nor will it be the last. The biggest problem is American lawmakers and DAs putting our border patrol agents in jail for protecting themselves against smugglers. After we've solved that problem, maybe we can make progress on the military front.
There have even been reports of guardsmen "retreating" from their positions after being approached by what they thought were Mexican military personnel. Frankly, if armed people cross our border without permission, the American military has the right to engage them as a threat. It's that simple. Sadly, the politics are not. There should not be a policy of "return fire when fired upon" on our own borders.
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- 7 votes
#4 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 9:10 PM EDT{"commentId":2386501,"authorDomain":"juno"}
if armed people cross our border without permission, the American military has the right to engage them as a threat.
I heard that we are allowed to use cell phones to call in the border patrol . . . 'course they aren't allowed to doing anything either these days.
{"commentId":2386501,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"juno"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2386681,"authorDomain":"martinez"}
If you go a hundred miles south of Tucson, you can deer hunt. I've heard plenty of stories of deer hunters watching drug smugglers through their scopes totting AKs and other assault rifles. It can be quite nerve racking I'd assume.
A friend of mine told me he was camping out there and a group actually walked through their camp.
{"commentId":2386681,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"martinez"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2387019,"authorDomain":"dcstone01"}
So, anybody for some 'deer' hunting?
Shhh I didn't say that. I'm really not that way.
But I do wonder sometimes if the people have to start taking more direct action.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2385973,"authorDomain":"RETLAW"}
Bodhi1--thanks for an interesting 'heads-up' article.
{"commentId":2385973,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"RETLAW"}
- 5 votes
#5 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 9:48 PM EDT{"commentId":2386536,"authorDomain":"juno"}
There are many parts of the border that lack even a barbed wire fence. (My husband liked to off-road in the mountains down that way.)
I hear these stories and flinch, I know people in the Border Patrol.
Good reminder that the border issue is still an issue.
{"commentId":2386536,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"juno"}
- 4 votes
#6 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 11:15 PM EDT{"commentId":2388817,"authorDomain":"fullershaven"}
Good reminder that the border issue is still an issue.
It will remain an issue as long as the powers that be continue to ignore it and look the other way.
There is nothing Mexico has that we want or you better believe we'd make an issue of it. I do believe too that they really don't want to make it too difficult for the drug runners, might slow the flow of money into their coffers.
Being a Border Patrol agent is not for the faint hearted, but I'll bet it can be frustrating; wanting to do your job but really having very little impact.
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- 4 votes
#7 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 9:31 AM EDT{"commentId":2405664,"authorDomain":"juno"}
I do believe too that they really don't want to make it too difficult for the drug runners, might slow the flow of money into their coffers.
I think the 'do nothing' policies and promotion of illegal entry into the US by the Mexican government is the heart of the problem.
Stemming the flow is not in their best interests.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2405403,"authorDomain":"btarl63"}
This is madness! We have people whining and crying because the Minutemen are down there, but they are not armed. We have liberals RIGHT HERE ON NEWSVINE who swear up and down that Bush violated Posse Comitatus when he send Federal Troops to assist the Border Patrol with CLEAR Rules of Engagement NOT TO ENGAGED. (They are wrong by the way). And the Mexicans whined like a scalded dog at our military on the border. But their military can just run the border any time they want.
What's it going to take America? A full fledged gun battle where our Border Patrol is outgunned and gets annihilated? Is that going to be a misunderstanding?
What we need is a Marine MEU on the border, with clear Rules of Engagement to engage ANY threat where firearms are present. And if that weapon is held by Mexican military, engage with extreme prejudice!
{"commentId":2405403,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"btarl63"}
- 5 votes
#8 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 6:20 PM EDT{"commentId":2405635,"authorDomain":"juno"}
What's it going to take America? A full fledged gun battle where our Border Patrol is outgunned and gets annihilated? Is that going to be a misunderstanding?
If/when this happens, I predict that we will see a reenactment of what's gone on before: American's are at fault.
{"commentId":2405635,"threadId":"327099","contentId":"1726545","authorDomain":"juno"}
- 3 votes
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