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Mike Huckabee is the Candidate the Democrats Want to Run Against

Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:00 PM EST
politics, democrats, 2008-election, mike-huckabee, conservatism, mcgovern, easy-kill
By Bodhi1
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Mike Huckabee is a very popular guy, but not so much in conservative Republican circles. Most people I speak with who are more than one issue voters, i.e. abortion, see Mike Huckabee as too liberal for their tastes.

No, Mike Huckabee is a popular guy in Democratic circles. They want to run against Mike and are both building him up and preparing to take him down.

It is best summed up in the words of Ed, from Ed's Blog on Democrats.org. He writes:

I think no matter who the Democrats run, they can beat Huckabee in a general election. It would be a shoe-in.

According to the Drudge Report, Democrats are holding their fire on Huckabee until after he secures the party's nomination. Then, open fire:

"He'll easily be their McGovern, an easy kill," mocked one senior Democrat operative Tuesday morning from Washington.

Not only are they not attacking him, Terry McAuliffe was on Fox News last night praising him. What is the deal?

Mike Huckabee is a fatally flawed candidate for the Republicans. As governor, Mike Huckabee did some things that are really going to turn off American voters. The biggest will probably be his role in the parole of a convicted rapist.

Wayne Dumond

In 1972, Wayne Dumond helped kill a man. He, along with a couple other men, used the man's 17 year old daughter to lure him to an area where they beat him to death by repeatedly hitting him in the head with a hammer. Dumond agreed to testify against the other men, so he was not charged.

A year later, he was charged with molesting a teenager in a Tacoma, WA parking lot. He was given counseling and probation.

Then, in 1976, he raped a woman and was charged with the crime. He again escaped prison by getting counseling.

In 1984, Wayne Dumond raped a 17 year old cheerleader. He was finally sentenced to a prison term. Life plus twenty years. That should be the end of the story. But then came Mike Huckabee.

Wayne Dumond
Huckabee lobbied for his release.Two of the main advocates for Dumond's pardon were Steve Dunleavy and Jay Cole. Cole was a Baptist pastor for the Mission Fellowship Bible Church in Fayetteville. An Arkansas state official stated, "The problem with the governor is that he listens to Jay Cole and reads Steve Dunleavy and believes them ... without doing other substantative work."

In fact, before Mike Huckabee became governor of Arkansas in 1996, he had already met with Dumond's wife and expressed his desire to see Dumond free. Then, on September 26, 1996, he let the people in on his plan to commute Dumond's sentence to time served. While it may be hard to believe, Dumond's victims had a problem with that plan. So did law enforcement officials, female legislators and anyone in Arkansas with half a brain.

The 17 year old victim of Dumond, Ashley Stevens told Huckabee: "This is how close I was to Wayne Dumond. I will never forget his face. And now I don't want you ever to forget my face." Huckabee was unswayed.

On October 31, 1996, Huckabee met with the parole board to talk about Wayne Dumond. In Januray, 1997, Huckabee wrote Dumond. In the letter, he wrote:

"Dear Wayne," Huckabee wrote in a letter to Dumond. "My desire is that you be released from prison. I feel that parole is the best way for your reintroduction to society to take place."

That same month, and five months after denying him parole, Dumond was granted parole. Huckabee said:

I concur with the board's action and hope the lives of all those involved can move forward. The action of the board accomplishes what I sought to do in considering an earlier request for commutation ...In light of the action of the board, my original intent to commute the sentence to time served is no longer relevant."

Dumond was finally released in October of 1999. He moved to Smithville, MO in August of 2000. Less than a year later, he sexually assaulted and killed Carol Sue Shields.

Many of the members of the parole board credit Mike Huckabee for the parole, saying he influenced them to vote in favor of it. Huckabee claims today to have had no official role in the release of Wayne Dumond, which is factual. But while he had no official role, he did have influence. The Huffington Post details Huckabee's role in Dumond's release. Huckabee has refused to accept his role in the release of Dumond and his later murder of Carol Sue Shields. He has even gone as far as blaming the governor who preceded him, Jim Guy Tucker, for the release of Dumond.

This incident alone may be enough to keep Huckabee from the White House. But it isn't the only skeleton in the closet.

Democrats also have allegations of getting his son off of charges of animal cruelty. They can use Huckabee's soft stance on illegal immigration, including his role in a Mexican consulate in Little Rock and allegations of running Arkansas as a sanctuary state.

Then there is his record of increasing taxes while governor, and his current push for the Fair Tax. While I also advocate the Fair Tax, I can see the Democrats confusing voters with what the implementation of Fair Tax will mean to them. For example:

Independent analyses have concluded that the tax would have to be far higher than 23% to maintain the government at current levels -- especially if Congress did not eliminate popular tax breaks, such as the mortgage-interest deduction.

William G. Gale, a tax expert at the centrist Brookings Institution think tank, estimates that the levy could run as high as 50% -- a tax so steep that it would be an invitation to mass tax evasion.

"It's a crackpot plan," said Bruce Bartlett, a conservative economist and former Treasury Department official who is a leading critic of the sales tax. "Anyone who supports it should not be taken seriously."

The serious attacks on Huckabee's record thus far have been from other Republican candidates, and they have not covered things as critically as the Democrats will in the General Election. Democrats are not saying much of anything to the press about Huckabee, even when he was leading in Iowa. It reminds me of that old movie cliche, where the main characters are in a dangerous situation, yet everything seems calm.

"Quiet, isn't it?" one says.
The other replies, "Yeah...too quiet."

We should be very concerned when the Democrats are not attacking a leading Republican candidate.

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Bodhi1

I know I violate Reagan's 11th Commandment, but values trump party. Huckabee is no conservative in my book. He is a disaster waiting to happen.

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:01 PM EST
Dennis P. McCannDeleted
Bodhi1

Dennis, once again, you and I find common ground. I am in agreement with you assessment.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:20 PM EST
Dennis P. McCannDeleted
Bodhi1

But you do know that this means Ronald Reagan's GOP is dead, right?

It's definitely on life support.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:31 PM EST
Henry VII

In the entrance polls, 60% of registered Republicans identified themselves as "born again or Evangelical."

How is that different from the rest of the party?

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 7:57 PM EST
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ajs

Yeah Huckabee would be a disaster as a nominee, I'm no fan either.

  • 5 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:09 PM EST
Bodhi1

I liked Huck's dedication to the Fair Tax, but man, there isn't much else there after that.

As a FReeper told me, he is "A Christian George McGovern."

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:23 PM EST
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Pamela Drew

To me, more than anything it was the voters saying they are fed up with the big money and the low blows and the corrupt system of insider politics. It wasn't what the Democrats or Republican strategists wanted that mattered in Iowa lat night. What counted was the voice of the people who have had more than enough of being ruled over and terrorized, lied to and robbed. It was more about saying, enough is enough!

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 12:36 PM EST
SuperUnspecial

Pamela

Let's not forget about the other voters, who, while they didn't win, must have been saying "no, it's OK, we can take a little more, we're not that sore yet."

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 3:05 PM EST
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Jared Kardos

My guess is that Huckabee is only liked by evangelicals who think the endtimes are near. :|

He would be a diesaster for the Republican party, for he's probably the biggest douchebag in the entire race.

    Reply#4 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:31 PM EST
    The Dagda

    As a Democrat, the candidate I'd most like to run against is Dick Cheney. Then the House could impeach him, the Senate convict him and he could spend election day in federal prison awaiting sentencing while the Democrats sweep to a unanimous Electoral College victory and complete veto-proof control of both houses. Since we're talking about fantasies, that is.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#5 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:33 PM EST
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    BlaiseP

    Those whom the gods would destroy, they answer prayers. The Republicrats have chosen yet another folksy Pander Bear. There's a back story to the Wayne Dumond pardon: it was the goddamn Freepers who urged the pardon.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#6 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 1:35 PM EST
    BlaiseP

    The anti-Clinton machine was banging away on all eight cylinders a long time before he ever came to Washington. When Huckabee came to power, it was a reaction to Bill Clinton, and they'd used poor old "castrated" Wayne Dumond as the poster boy for Clinton's horrible injustices.

    Different story now, innit, huh? Sometimes I think the Republican Party has become a class of Victorian gentlemen, so prudish in public, but given to every disgusting vice in private. Somehow their prudery is a spice a delicious sprinkling over their revolting private lives.

    • 4 votes
    #6.1 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 2:04 PM EST
    SuperUnspecial

    Wow...awesome like Blaise

    • 3 votes
    #6.2 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 3:07 PM EST
    Bodhi1

    I would say that some Freepers lobbied, but not all. Let's not generalize. And I doubt the number of Freepers that advocated the release of a convicted rapist would sway Huckabee as much as Jay Cole or Dunleavy.

    When Huckabee came to power, it was a reaction to Bill Clinton, and they'd used poor old "castrated" Wayne Dumond as the poster boy for Clinton's horrible injustices.

    Huckabee followed Tucker, didn't he?

    • 2 votes
    #6.3 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 3:35 PM EST
    BlaiseP

    All the Freepers lobbied for Dumond. Read the comments. Don't you dare try to back away from this, Bodhi, you put Dumond in your article. Now let's talk Dumond. And you can quit your weaseling around, this is your boy the Freepers were rootin' for. Revrun' Jay Cole and that nasty creature Steve Dunleavy, who wrote that wonderful article.... what was the name of it?

    "Clinton's Biggest Crime - Left Innocent Man In Jail For 14 Years"

    Clinton.

    I've followed this case for a very long time. The anti-Clinton camp had Dumond as a poster boy. They wanted to slap Clinton and Tucker, who were both Democrats, as you very well know. The Freepers and every Republican in Arkansas set up such a din, they eventually got Huckabee to release Dumond.

    • 4 votes
    #6.4 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:44 PM EST
    Bodhi1

    All the Freepers lobbied for Dumond.

    I'm sorry, Blaise, but you are just wrong.

    Unfortunately, Dunleavy is way off-base on this story. Wayne Dumond is a career criminal who should have been locked years before he was convicted of raping Ashley Stevens, and I believe he castrated himself.

    I think the reason some people try to excuse Dumond's criminal behavior is because Ashley Stevens is Bill Clinton's third cousin. The fact is - Bill Clinton and Wayne Dumond have a lot in common.

    Not all FReepers lobbied for Dumond.

    • 1 vote
    #6.5 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 6:43 PM EST
    SuperUnspecial

    Bodhi, that just means that one poster in their comments forum disagreed. I mean, it takes 2 seconds to become a member who can post there.

    • 1 vote
    #6.6 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 7:06 PM EST
    Bodhi1

    SU,

    He said all. I said he was generalizing. He said I was wrong and I was trying to back away and again asserted it was all.

    He was wrong.

    • 1 vote
    #6.7 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 10:49 PM EST
    BlaiseP

    Oh please. You got caught with your argument hanging its ass out the window. and I just put two barrels of buckshot straight into it. All this posturing about Dumond, it was Republicans who argued for Dumond's release. I'm really surprised Freep still has that page up. But not half as surprised as you.

    And I'm surprised you're parroting this same nonsense. Huckabee was brought to power to do exactly what he did. Pardon Dumond. And now you're standing there like the Little Dutch Boy, with your fingers in the dike.

    Yes, we Democrats do want Huckabee to run. Iowa Republicans just selected a young-earth creationist theocrat, for gawd's sake. If Huckabee gets the nomination (and I hope he does) I'd think that a lot of big business Republicans would find that they just couldn't make themselves pull the lever for him. And if he's denied the nomination, the mouth-breathing wing of the party will be more concerned with vengeance than with electing whoever the nominee is. Whichever way it goes down, the Republican Humpty Dumpty may be impossible to put together again, at least in our lifetime.

    • 2 votes
    #6.8 - Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:39 AM EST
    Bodhi1

    You got caught with your argument hanging its ass out the window. and I just put two barrels of buckshot straight into it. All this posturing about Dumond, it was Republicans who argued for Dumond's release. I'm really surprised Freep still has that page up. But not half as surprised as you.

    I did? No, I think you did. And now you are trying to flip the script and say it was Republicans now instead of ALL FReepers.

    Whatever you say, Blaise...you illustrate the premise of the article very well. Thanks.

    • 2 votes
    #6.9 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:10 PM EST
    BlaiseP

    Dumond's backers were all Republicans. End of story.

    • 1 vote
    #6.10 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:09 AM EST
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    jfxgillis

    Bodhi:

    I believe you are right, but I think the Democrats you talk about are wrong.

    I'm old enough to remember the last time a consensus like this emerged among the Democrats--1980--and that didn't work out too well for us.

    My own view is that the parties should stay the hell out of each others' nominating processes in their own self-interest, let alone the moral-political grounds that someone like me has no business on earth telling the Repubs who to nominate or why.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#7 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 3:25 PM EST
    lisaed

    someone like me has no business on earth telling the Repubs who to nominate or why.

    Jack - and believe it or not - I get even MORE annoyed when independents try to tell the pubs who to nominate as well.

    • 3 votes
    #7.1 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:17 PM EST
    jfxgillis

    lisaed:

    Damn straight. I feel the same way about the Dems.

    • 3 votes
    #7.2 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:38 PM EST
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    DAWeb

    Yup, I have noticed that the Press seems to really push candidates that woudl fair poorly in the general election. (Huckabee, Ron Paul -not all press mind you. LOL, McCain) none of whom I want as the nominee. if any of them get the party nomination it will create a tough choice for a lot of Conservatives.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#8 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 4:22 PM EST
    tschreck

    nice article bodhi

    you and i agree that he would indeed be trounced in november. we only differ in that i personally would love to see it happen. the gop is in deep trouble unless they figure out a way to flush the huck and still get the thumpers out on election day. not an enviable position unless you consider that the dems have the hillary factor.

    methinks i'll be satisfied with president obama

    once again, nice article, i always knew you had it in ya

      Reply#9 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 11:34 PM EST
      The OttO Show

      I completely agree with the Democrats you quote. Huckabee is to them what Edwards is to us, except they actually see it as a strategy. Huckabee would be wiped across the floor in a general election.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#10 - Fri Jan 4, 2008 11:37 PM EST
      SuperUnspecial

      You guys think Edwards is the easily beatable candidate? Say more.

      • 2 votes
      #10.1 - Sat Jan 5, 2008 12:45 AM EST
      The OttO Show

      I think Edwards would get squashed like a bug by at least each of three of the GOP candidates, probably five.

      • 4 votes
      #10.2 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:57 AM EST
      SuperUnspecial

      But why?

      • 1 vote
      #10.3 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:24 PM EST
      The Dagda

      Maybe he means five against one?

      I think it would depend on which five were doing the squashing.

      Edwards is a fairly young man. If Duncan Hunter were to fall on top of him, I think John would have the reflexes to duck in time. Same with McCain, Huckabee. Thompson and Ron Paul. Alan Keyes might be able to fall faster than some of the older guys, but Keyes always falls to the hard right so Edwards could defense that by rolling left quickly. Romney is frankly too bony to merit consideration in any squashing contest, (in fact, he might beware of breaking a not-so-rock rib on the way down) although old Mitt might put an eye out with a stray finger during a fall, so Edwards should be careful of that.

      Now if five of them were to all fall at once, it would take about a week because they don't seem to agree on much of anything so I doubt they would be able to agree which five would be the designated squashers.

      • 3 votes
      #10.4 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:56 AM EST
      Kevin Dicks

      LMAO. Excellent. Great visuals, TD. I could see the whole thing playing out in my head. Especially the Keys fall, Edwards rolls left. Great stuff!

      • 2 votes
      #10.5 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 1:14 AM EST
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      Mellyk

      More Freeper whinefest for Rapist Dumond....

      [url= ]WHERE'S THE PARDON FOR WAYNE DUMOND?[/url]

        Reply#11 - Sat Jan 5, 2008 3:39 AM EST
        Mellyk

        oops...

          Reply#12 - Sat Jan 5, 2008 3:43 AM EST
          lisaed

          Bodhi - there is no doubt the dems want to run against huckabee - and I agree with them - he CAN'T win the national. We conservatives with articles such as this and the one I wrote on Iowa Caucus Day must STAND up against Huckabee every chance we get....to me he is the pub version of Bill Clinton (Arkansas Gov with a musical instrument) and Dukakis.....yuck!!! Huckabee's troubling rise is splintering our party and is essence almost like having a 3rd party candidate that will usher in a dem to the WH. He must be stopped in the coming primaries. And another thing that is REALLY REALLY annoying me is how Huckabee places Chuck Norris and his pretty blond wife in every shot at every rally --including his speech for the win in Iowa.....his not so attractive wife is almost never allowed in the frame....shame on you mr social conservative/baptist minister.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#13 - Sat Jan 5, 2008 1:36 PM EST
          The Dagda

          Good points about Norris and his wife, Lisaed. If Chuck Norris wants to run for president, let him get his own campaign.

          • 1 vote
          #13.1 - Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:59 AM EST
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          Jim Dent

          A pretty good assessment Bodhi, nicely done. Lets look down the road a bit based on your conclusion (which I agree with) that Huckabee isn't the best bet to win the National election. The scenarios are all pretty grim for the GOP. Huck has the Christian right vote, and they are a powerful voting bloc of the GOP that is most definitely not going to take kindly to Huckabee being dropped by the rest of the party. Take away Huck and what have you got? A disenchanted Christian right that will have to pick someone else besides their poster boy. Given the choices they have left (possibly a Mormon in the mix), their disenchantment with the party they have supported ever since Reagan and Jerry Fallwell climbed in bed together will be almost stifling. No matter which way you turn on this one, I think the GOP vote will be way down this year compared to past elections, and that too will cost them the election... At this point, it looks like it's gonna take a small miracle to stop the GOP from fracturing. It almost looks like Reagans deal with the Moral Majority to beat Carter will turn out in the end to be a deal with the devil. To paraphrase... Hell hath no fury like a Christian right scorned.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#14 - Sat Jan 5, 2008 5:27 PM EST
          Kevin Dicks

          As a Dem, I would have to, personally, disagree. I do not want Huckabee to win the nomination. All of us must be realistic. Although we Democrats really want to win, and feel that we will this time around, the truth of the matter is, we might not. Conservatives really want to win, too. And there is a chance that they might. Even though Huckabee's chances of winning the general election are slim, they aren't zero. If we do lose the general election, I would rather see a Republican in office that I can live with rather than Mike Huckabee.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#15 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:48 PM EST
          tschreck

          Kevin-

          sorry i must disagree.

          huckabee would not be able to get the smallest thing done, regardless of the makeup of the congress.

          if elected he would be as impotent as raphael palmero with his vitamin v. therefore, he is indeed harmless!

          i could stomach rudy if worse gets to worse, but the mitt would be just about the worst thing possible..

          a religious fruitcake who would redirect the nations wealth to some temple in utah.

          im hopin' for huckabee!

          • 1 vote
          Reply#16 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 9:34 PM EST
          SuperUnspecial

          In fairness to Romney, the man who governed Massachusetts is not the man you describe.

          • 1 vote
          #16.1 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:26 PM EST
          Kevin Dicks

          Truth be told, Rudy scares me the most out of all the Rebub candidates, but I do think that we could handily defeat him, simply because he is enthralled in so much scandal and has so many skeletons in his closet. Mitt, I think, I could deal with. I don't know a whole lot about him, so I could be wrong on that. After all, when Bush first got elected, I thought I could deal with him.

          • 1 vote
          #16.2 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:31 PM EST
          Anna-90776

          I don't think Mitt is very smart-his answers seem so ho hum. I think we'll take him, their lower scoring candidates (in the polls now) are more likely to do better against the Democrats-so far though their crowd isn't catching on that that is where their strength lies. We"ll blow Rudy out of the water!!

          • 1 vote
          #16.3 - Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:36 PM EST
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