Michelle Malkin » Miller Lite-approved: Toddlers at the Folsom Street Fair

I'd disagree and say the conservatives, with their fear of sex-positive culture are the weirdos.

YMMV.

I'd disagree and say the conservatives, with their fear of sex-positive culture are the weirdos.

Seems like a generalization about conservatives. What about the conservatives that don't have a fear of "sex-positive" culture? Do you sonsider them also to be weirdos?

I have a beloved family member named Zole who's in her ninties. I think it's a cool (and old) name.

What's ajs stand for?

Isn't it the parents' choice what to expose their children to?

pun intended?

Isn't it the parents' choice what to expose their children to?

Yes, and responsible parents make far wiser choices.

Wiser choices like allowing them to sit in front of the TV for hours or indoctrinating them into a religion?

Gee, I thought the conservatives were against a nanny-state, guess not. I know children being raised in polyamorous families and they are great, well-adjusted, happy, smart kids.

Wiser choices like allowing them to sit in front of the TV for hours or indoctrinating them into a religion?

Oh dear. * sigh * Jones, Jones, Jones ...

First of all, that comment about religion was apropos of nothing. You pulled it out of thin air, as an excuse to bash people of faith. That is very telling, and I'm sorry that you said that.

Secondly, what makes you think that being "indoctrinated into a religion" is worse than "the two daddies" dressing up their toddlers in leather and bondage gear and trotting down to the orgy where they might see men masturbating? Where does "tolerance" become foolishness? Where does freedom become licentiousness? Where does creativity become perversion? What's the difference between valuing liberty and being an insatiable libertine?

Finally, what makes you think that most religious parents choose to "indoctrinate" their children by television? Most Christian and Jewish parents I know (and certainly Muslim parents also, I'm sure) teach and train their children values by personal example and by personal and direct interpersonal interaction and fellowship within their spiritual communities. Television? That's generally some kind of caracature of faith and is hardly a trustworthy mechanism for passing on an ideology.

Unless parents want to indoctrinate their children into the "religion" of secularism. In that case, television is a perfect vehicle. Television, and field trips to the Folsom Street Fair.

No, it is not. The government will crack down on parents that expose their children to abuse. drugs. prostitution and soon. smoking in their private auto or home. It is wrong to think that this is a free choice for sexual deviants to make when it concerns impressionable underaged children.

I am sincerely wanting to understand your post, Woodturn. Could you elaborate on your point?

Hey, Woodturn, I just read your post #13 where you did indeed elaborate on this point, and you said it well. Thanks.

Well, let's see...we have lower teen pregnancy rates, for one. I don't get the conservative fear of sex or what others do in their bedrooms.

I dare any of you to come to Folsom next year and see it for yourself.

I don't get the conservative fear of sex or what others do in their bedrooms.

Maybe if that guy had been masturbating in his bedroom, instead of in public, this wouldn't be such an issue.

I went this year and didn't see any men masturbating.

Apparently there was at least one. In addition, according to published accounts, there were many there engaging in sexual activity in public. If people don't want conservatives worrying about what they do in the bedroom, maybe they should keep it in the bedroom.

Folsom Street Fair marks 21 unchained years

The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence offered to spank the willing for $5 a pop. All manner of couples led each other by leashes. Some fairgoers sported whips and handcuffs, others black latex face masks that zipped up the back of the head.
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Samantha Johnson, or "Mistress Samantha" as she likes to be known, was led through the streets by nearly nude women prancing around upright on horse hooves.
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As a crowd gathered around a man lightly whipping two other men tied to a One Way street sign
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Quote:

"Orgies and decadence were the hallmark of Rome and other mighty empires before they crumbled. It's just a thought."

Didn't Rome have an overextended military when it collapsed as well? Sorry, I'm not completely up on Roman history.

Whipping isn't sexual activity...

It is in certain circumstances.

Stop insulting people whom you've never met, who engage in activities that might not interest you, Bodhi.

Denying the sexual and masochistic nature of the fair is simply absurd. Denying the darkly sexually perverse nature of Roman society and how it contributed to the corruption, decay, and fall of that empire is also absurd.

I appreciated this quote from stevetherobot ...

In addition, according to published accounts, there were many there engaging in sexual activity in public. If people don't want conservatives worrying about what they do in the bedroom, maybe they should keep it in the bedroom.

Folsom Street Fair marks 21 unchained years

The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence offered to spank the willing for $5 a pop. All manner of couples led each other by leashes. Some fairgoers sported whips and handcuffs, others black latex face masks that zipped up the back of the head.
...
Samantha Johnson, or "Mistress Samantha" as she likes to be known, was led through the streets by nearly nude women prancing around upright on horse hooves.
...
As a crowd gathered around a man lightly whipping two other men tied to a One Way street sign

The very fact that a group called "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" - which is a transvestite group of perverts who dress as some kind of sick caracature of "whore nuns" - that is celebrated and beloved tells me a lot. Let's face it, this whole festival and the atmosphere around it is part orgy, part political theater, and also a deliberate slap in the face against traditionalist and people of faith.

The article discussed one man that has masturbated publically at the fair for the past 6 years. So you didn't see it. So what.

we have lower teen pregnancy rates

When men stand around masturbating or having sex with other men and when women have sex with women, it's funny how those teen pregnancy rates tend to decline. I guess that's a good example of being "sex positive," eh?

When men stand around masturbating or having sex with other men and when women have sex with women, it's funny how those teen pregnancy rates tend to decline. I guess that's a good example of being "sex positive," eh?

A while back I read an article by a conservative columnist who said, jokingly, that in the future this country will be solidly Republican. The demographics will favor the Republicans, because because the conservatives will keep making babies, but the liberals will eventually disappear, because one group is having gay sex...while another group, while heterosexual-- were having babies...but aborting them! (a nasty and undeserved put-down of liberals-- but it does bring up some interesting issues...)

(I wonder if this comment will also be deleted...?)

The animal?

Nice.

I'm sure you don't want the state telling you how to raise your kid, who are you to tell others? Being a prude about sex is silly and yes, naked is the natural human state.

The animal? Nice.

Yep. My dog has sex out in public and it doesn't mean a thing to him at all who is around.

I'm sure you don't want the state telling you how to raise your kid, who are you to tell others?

Well, with all the studies out there stating that exposing children to pornographic stuff is unhealthy, call my a child advocate. I assert live porn is no healthier than taped.

Being a prude about sex is silly and yes, naked is the natural human state.

So is menstruation, flinging mucous during a cold and many other things the body can do.

I see no merit in setting aside a day each year to go out on the streets and show off my sexual self, no I don't.
So I am a prude?
Cool. A label that sets fine with me.
Labeling someone as a prude because they know this to be unacceptable and say so doesn't make this any more wholesome.
It is still vile and warped human behavior. They are behaving like wild beasts.

Monkeys masturbate in public. I saw it at the zoo.

I think you, FW, and you, Bodhi, would be amazed at how the reality of Folsom doesn't match your preconceived ideas.

I see so much hate and anger in your words...such a pity. "Vile and warped" describes what I am reading you guys saying. Folsom does not equal public masturbation.

I've been to Mardi Gras, and I think a lot of what happens there is disgusting. I won't go back and I will never agree with exposing children to such debauchery.

Jones, you're right ... I've never been to Folsom. If you say you've never seen men masturbating, then I'll believe you. But, I would imagine that you have seen public displays of sex or sexualized behavior. Now, even if you haven't seen all of this, you seem ready to defend all of it as being "sex positive" and to portray traditionalists as "weirdos."

I would imagine you see yourself as a "progressive". A friend of mine put something on her MySpace page recently that I thought was interesting. She said, "Don't remove fences until you know what those fences were put there for." A lot of "progressives" are so enthralled with obliterating all sexual boundaries - and they don't seem to understand the connection between choices and consequences. There is a cause and effect.

Cultures that go down the road of sexual decadence (and there's a good word) ultimately end up corrupted and morally bankrupt. This in turn leads to family breakdown, chaos, and societal failure.

Putting children in BDSM gear and bringing them into an orgiastic atmosphere is, in my opinion, tantamount to child abuse.

To some extent, I would argue that some people with devient lifestyles are very much reactionaries to having grown up in a sexually repressive situation.

I'm not saying taking kids down to the porn shop or the S&M festival is the answer. I think if kids were raised and taught about human sexuality as part of creation (not something to be ashamed of)....that there would be less of an extreme reaction such as extreme fetishes which many would consider blasphemous.

Generations where the vilification of sexuality is the norm, with the sanctification of violence (i.e., war creates heroes) causes humanity's children to accept violence is "ok" and sexuality is something to be ashamed of (for many people).

I realize I'm making overarching statements. But look at alcohol in Europe. It isn't a big taboo and you don't have nearly the problem with children and adults binge-drinking. Demonization/villification creates the "forbidden fruit" phenomenon---people want what they are taught they should not have or want.

Of course, I also hold the opinion that some humans---as Archbishop Desmond Tutu recently discussed on the radio when I happened to be tuning in---are born homosexuals (and perhaps some choose to be bisexual or homosexual). Particularly in the most repressive cultures, who would choose to be (openly) gay, knowing how it could put them in literal danger. I believe that people who are homosexuals can have a functioning family unit that is every bit as nurturing as a heterosexual family unit.

Sorry if this is a bit off topic---it is kind of a response to some of the other responses on the thread.

Well, FW, I guess you can understand how I feel about children being indoctrinated into religion and conservative thought--vile and warped.

So you hate people who are comfortable with alternative sexuality. Nice.

Detracking...I can't believe how close-minded many are.

JonesGirl, I think maybe you should be out living in a rainforest somewhere in a culture that hasn't developed beyond public display of bodily functions. In SF it may be okay to do these things, but in the other 99.9% of America, masturbating in public is frowned upon.

As a parent, I don't want my child to be exposed to any public display of sexual acts. It's not that I think sex is dirty or somehow wrong - it's just that in polite society we don't do that. I'm not a trying to promote a Christian agenda either. I just want my child to grow up and be able to be a productive member of the society we live in.

Also, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them closed minded. You can make a more intelligent argument in favor of your position than resorting to calling folks closed minded.

Ditto Pimp-

Leaving aside the fact that my comment's meaning went clear over your head, this statement:

being gay doesn't mean you're a bad person or a bad parent.

is exactly my point. The reason I felt the need to point that out is the right routinely makes this point via innuendo, jokes and other snarky asides. Some of which are on display in this thread.
Next up is this brilliant comment:

But being gay isn't an excuse for bad parenting either.

Um, care to tell us exactly were that idea is being promoted? Certainly not by me. I don't see anyone saying, "Oh they're gay it's Ok to be a bad parent".
Unfortunately being a bad parent is an equal opportunity lifestyle. It IS a choice. Gayness isn't. So why do the righties like Malkin go ape sh*t and post inflamed articles (along with comments from homophobic readers) about this and not when Britney Spears displays her bad parenting skills

The gayness of this particular incident is what fuels this thread.

And that is my point. Get it?

Crawl back into your hole until you have something valuable to contribute.

You mean like this?

BTW- What's with the zilla? It doesn't seem to fit.

It is called public indecency in most communities in this country and it is illegal. The liberal media and many liberal groups in this country are constantly calling for new and restrictive laws covering behavior that THEY find offensive, it's about time for the leftist community started answering for their behavior.

Yes, exactly. I am always amazed how quick groups like the ACLU are to defend perverted folks like NAMBLA and quick to attack people for expressing their faith or behaving in ways that were once considered honorable and laudable. There are those who are working diligently to re-define what is "good" and what is "evil."

And, after several incidents lately, it seems that it's more offensive in San Francisco to be spotted in a US military uniform than it is to be out masturbating in public in front of children.