
In the book "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People, Steven Covey makes the assertion that if you want to learn something, teach it. Well, I don't know as much as I like about logical fallacies, so I have decided to write articles defining and describing the logical fallacies I see around the Vine, and are accused of using in my own comments.
The first step in learning is recognizing you don't know something. In a past thread, Jack Huang accused me of creating a "strawman." I thought, "What the Hell does that mean?" Oh, it may seem stupid to some, but it isn't stupidity. It's ignorance. Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, in my opinion. Will Rogers said, "Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects." I went to college and earned a degree in horticulture. I can tell you all sorts of things about soil profiles, micro-nutrients, entomology and shade tolerant flowering shrubs in Zone 5 climates. But, unfortunately for me, this degree did not require too many classes in logic or critical thinking.
When Jack Huang hit me with the strawman accusation, I recognized that I was lacking this knowledge and desired it. But first, it made me angry and I didn't handle it well. I think, I'm not sure, but I think Jack pulled the trigger on the "Ignore This Author" button. I don't blame him if he did. I went straight for the ol' ad hominem. If you read this, sorry Jack.
I have since collected and read many articles on logical fallacies and think I am ready to start these articles. I will try to use actual debates from threads around the Vine. This may upset people, but if so, those people need to grow up. I was used to set an example to the class through the bulk of my academic career. I turned out mostly adjusted. You can suffer through it also. Feel free to discuss your thoughts about your comment or debate why it isn't a fallacy.
I said I am doing this to learn. Point out my mistakes. I know with all the love here, you would never hesitate to point out a fault in another. We can use this to sharpen each others iron. I have a strong self-image and don't mind admitting mistakes or having them pointed out. Actually, I would prefer to have them highlighted than to continue making them.
So, let's define what a fallacy is and look at the argumentum ad hominem. After all, I used it and it may be the most often used fallacy on all of the Internets (sorry Dubya. But that's funny.)
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Logical fallacies are weaknesses in an argument or a failure in reasoning. They may sound reasonable or true, but in fact, they are rickety statements that may be downright dishonest. Wikipedia says:
A logical fallacy is an error in logical argument which is independent of the truth of the premises. It is a flaw in the structure of an argument as opposed to an error in its premises. When there is a fallacy in an argument it is said to be invalid.
It is useful to categorize fallacies, to better understand where the failure of logic occurs. There are fallacies of relevance, fallacies of ambiguity, omission and component.
The fallacy Argumentum ad hominem, literally translated mean "attack to the man." It is a fallacy of relevance. This type of argument is flawed because it fails to address the premise but rather goes after the person stating the premise. It looks something like this:
Speaker #1: I think that minimum wages should be mandated by the Federal government to ensure everyone can make a living wage.
Speaker #2: You're a liberal idiot.
Speaker #1: You can't talk to me...blah, blah, blah...Code of Honor....blah, blah, blah...
Speaker #2: Idiot.
The fact that Speaker #2 may or may not be a liberal idiot has nothing to do with his premise on minimum wage. Speaker #2 needs to attack the premise, not the man. A better rebuttal might be:
Speaker #1: I think that minimum wages should be mandated by the Federal government to ensure everyone can make a living wage.
Speaker #2: The federal government has it's power given to it by the Constitution and mandating payment rates between employer and employee is not one of those powers.
Here, the second speaker has attacked the premise that the Federal government can dictate wages. His statement attacks the premise of the argument, rather than the speaker.
Let's look at one from a recent thread. This thread was a very heated thread that was loaded with fallacies but this one illustrates ad hominem in a subtle way:
searayman
If they really didn't agree with the war they could get out, there is always a way out. You could do something to get kicked out.
Dennis P. McCann
Let me guess. Not a veteran. College student? Maybe still in High School?
Now, understand, Dennis doesn't seem angry in what he wrote. When I think "attacks the person," I usually think there is some strong emotion involved. That is not necessarily true. Dennis's response attacks the person, searayman, and not the premise, that if a military person wanted out of war, he could do something stupid and get kicked out. A better response was given by finalcut later in the thread
finalcut
A true soldier, who was opposed to the war, would file as a conscientious objector and continue to serve their country in a non-combative role; they wouldn't just quit.
Argumentum ad hominem fails to refute the premise because the person stating the premise isn't important. The evidence for and against the premise is what matters. If your premise is ignored but you are attacked, simply point out that they refuter has not addressed the premise but attacked you. This will, hopefully, deflate the attack on you and redirect his attention to the premise.
Thanks for the education. I see the phrase quite often but wasn't sure what it meant. I'd like to see more examples. Sometimes it's hard to tell where the line is throughout a discourse of heated debate. I'd also like to see discussions on other logical fallacies.
I think next I am going with "Strawman." That gets lobbed around here in almost every thread.
I would say thats a true statement, mostly because of all the strawmen arguments thrown about here..... :-D
I don't mean to speak for Dennis, but I think his comment was a little more than "just" an ad hominem reply. His saying "let me guess, not a veteran" was a direct rebuttal to searayman's assertion that you could "just do something to get kicked out." It's not that simple and a veteran would have known that. So, even though it was ad hominem, it still had a meaning that addressed the comment.
Btw, good article, I enjoyed it.
Good work, Bodhi1, and I'm looking forward to reading more like it. I tend to agree with Jim Dent about the nature of Dennis' comment (heh - and about the number of strawman arguments we see here). Believe me, there are much more clear and explicit examples of ad hominem arguments to be found than the one you've chosen. I'd also question whether or not its a good idea to use those examples at all - it may not be any problem at all, but some people may consider it to be like salting a wound, especially if the assessment is possibly a bit shaky. Don't take those things personally, though - the articles are bound to be interesting, and will definitely be useful. Another means by which we may get smarter here.
You'd think that the Newsvine spellchecker would include "hominem" and "strawman," wouldn't you?
Get Firefox 2.0 and add the words to the built in spellchecker dictionary. I haven't hit the "check spelling" button in ages.... :-D
Great article Bohdi, I look forward to more in this series, I'm sure you can educate me on many of the issues.
Great article and well written.
"Oh, it may seem stupid to some, but it isn't stupidity. It's ignorance. Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, in my opinion."
Spoken like a true philosopher!
I just have a little thing to add, but I am sure you will cover this in a later article in depth:
the argumentum ad hominem is often linked to an underlying reversed argumentum ad verecundiam (an argument or appeal to authority) which is always the most feeble argument if no other argument is offered. In the case of the ad hominem it serves to aim at the non-authoritative status of the person or discussion partner. In the end it only serves to point out the attackers authority over he one of the attacked and in eristic dialectics (sorry, cannot offer you the wikipedia link, since I'm new... just google for eristic) is to be considered one of the main rules to win an argument.
Looking forward to your continuation!
Great article buddy. I am glad to now know what ad hominem means. It's one of those things people do that causes me to completely discount anything else they say and call them an idiot. That's not to say I'm not just as big an idiot, but as we all know I exempt myself from the expectations I place on others.
For clarification in future conversations, when I call someone a douche bag (for example) it's not an ad hominem thing, it's an I don't like you thing.
When I say you're a conservative drone nut-job it's not ad hominem either. It's me trying to get a reaction out of you. But now that I've said that I'll have to think of a new way to get the reaction.
Looking forward to the next article.
Bodhi1 - great subject!
I remember my philosophy course in college - Logic - and we discussed the various logical fallacies in arguments (I believe there were 7? or was it 9? - boy I wish I took better notes). Anyways, I remember most of them, but I would love it if you would help me recall them all.
There are:
Ad Hominem
Strawman
Red Herring
darn, I can't remember the rest...
Any help? :)
There is an impressive list of fallacies over at Wikipedia. (It's many more than nine.)
Thank you very much!!
Thinking back, I believe my instructor covered the 9 favorite :).
Appreciate it!
Keep up the good work, Bodhi1.
We need more posters who know the rules of engagement.
This is definitely a series that will help the community "Get Smarter Here."
Nice article, dude. Now I have a question. I'm serious, I don't remember who said, "You can bring a horticulture, but you can't make her think."
That was on Letterman last night or the night before. Not sure where it originally comes from, though.
Bodhi, I haven't finished reading your article yet, but am enjoying it (you got my vote). Just wanted to point out that I'm sure you'll enjoy reading Celestina's Logic 101, written almost a year ago here on the Vine.
Cheers.
Because many of these scientists who are sounding the global warming scare depend on grant money for their livelihood, and they know the grant money dries up when they stop preaching the global warming sermon.
Here's an ad hominem from this article: 25 Reasons Why You Should be Skeptical About Global Warming.
Where the scientists get their funding has nothing to do with whether or not global warming is actually occurring and our part in causing it.
Great article.
Nice article ... suggest you create a new "intro graph" for all three - with cross-links - so that they are more easily accessed as a series. :)
Now, a quibble about this comment.
One *has* to make judgments about the credibility of a source. All sources are not equally credible and a well-argued criticism is not necessarily an ad hominem, IMO.
I believe in this case Pamela chose her rebuttal source poorly, if the premise was to cast doubt on Boortz's qualifications to analyze global warming. On the other hand, if the purpose was to demonstrate that his, erh, argumentation style is emotional, not logical ... then the rebuttal source _clearly— achieves that goal, IMO. She failed to tell us her premise for providing the info on Boortz, so we don't know.
< pause >
His bio shows that he is a talk radio host. That explains the emotional argument style, IMO. But he is a lawyer ... and he has been a speech writer for a Governor of Georgia (he doesn't say which one, who came after Carter - Busbee? - I should know this) ... so that speaks to his having analytical skills. However, he's not a scientist -- so if you place a higher value on scientific opinion on an issue of science ... then this source would not be credible to you.
There, have I muddied the waters enough?
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